"We'll find some way to get some good barbecue into the hotel."
That is something you are more likely to achieve with a good kettle-style barbecue than with a small hibachi.
"I think that what the country needs now is a good, smoky barbecue - family style - at least once a week, winter months included."
He claims to be a workaholic, but perhaps it is a dedication to good barbecue that keeps him going.
You can find good barbecue in Dallas and Houston, but the best is served in small towns.
His mother, 80-year-old Virginia Ellis, a tiny, sweet-looking woman, was asked recently if she thought her son made good barbecue.
These can sometimes result in passingly good barbecue, at least by New York's former standards.
It is possible to find good barbecue in New York.
Expect just good barbecue - short, simple, neat and sweet.
IT'S not easy to eat good barbecue in New York, but it can be done.